It's Dangerous to Believe Your Body is an Illusion

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feeds@yuku.com (Dancing Lotus) — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:52:37 GMT

that tell profound stories about Infinity but they slide right underneath people's defenses

Wow Kit that is totally Erich!

That is what draws people to him!

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feeds@yuku.com (Kit Spahr) — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:20:54 GMT

Yes, exactly.

E: One of the things that I have never found in another teacher is your ability to weave these stories...wave/ocean, helicopter, internet, snow globe...that tell profound stories about Infinity but they slide right underneath people's defenses (for lack of a better word) so your message can be heard. Were you ever less skillful at this? How did this evolve for you? It's sort of like being a really skilled translator. Someone who is able to go beyond...

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feeds@yuku.com (yogini db) — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:07:25 GMT

And yet, on the other hand, once you sorta know what you're talking about, once you've caught a glimpse of the moon that all the fingers are pointing at, then it really doesn't matter what you or other people call it.

nice

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feeds@yuku.com (Sri D) — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:05:47 GMT

Nice job, Casey and E!

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feeds@yuku.com (Erich Schiffmann) — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:37:11 GMT

here's a link to the wave & ocean DVD in case anyone is interested
I think it's good
Casey filmed it
haven't been using the terminology much lately, except sorta

Wave & Ocean DVD

Re: It's Dangerous to Believe Your Body is an Illusion

feeds@yuku.com (Erich Schiffmann) — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:56:06 GMT

Hi Kit,

Yes, I know what you mean. That's pretty much why, when I use words, I mostly use the word Infinity. It's difficult to conceptualize infinity, which helps keep conceptualizations to a minimum, which helps keep the tendency to think you've got it all figured out once you've given it a name at bay. Plus, using the word Infinity doesn't push the God button quite as readily for most people. Plus, it's inclusive, rather than exclusive. Though, I do...

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feeds@yuku.com (Kit Spahr) — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:55:02 GMT

Erich, you used to do this great wave/ocean drawing when you talked about this. The unique expression of the IT wave full of scribbly stuff, cut off from the ocean, but not really, just thinking so. So it seems there has to be a certain amount of clearing out of the scribbly stuff or the message is unclear, yes? It would seem the message would be unclear regardless of the "source" of the message...meaning even the day to day small stuff might be skewed, let alone bigger things....

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feeds@yuku.com (noswrite) — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:45:26 GMT

"And so the closer we get to the guidance the clearer the messages become without the distortion."

One may get intimations, like peering into the predawn and sensing movement. But when the sun dawns, sudden illumination, no more darkness. The light is suddenly as close as it can ever be.

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feeds@yuku.com (Lillylulu) — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:18:41 GMT

did anyone else follow Mark's link and read this: Osho's enlightenment experience
just reading this gives new perspective
about ego,
about everything.

"Believe me, nothing of him has remained, not even a shadow. It died totally, utterly. It is not that I am...

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feeds@yuku.com (zeynepistanbul) — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:22:25 GMT

What I have found myself caught up in lately and I guess many also are, is the fact that believing Ego is bad-ugly-the worst, Ego is something to be gotten rid of if there is to be any spiritual advancement, and Ego would be the cause for no advancement, it is the bad guy, mine is a man funnily!-anyway, so the egoless state would be something to go towards, and Ego would be something to get rid of- and unknowingly- fight against....

But actually, now the more I think and meditate on...

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feeds@yuku.com (Erich Schiffmann) — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:03:03 GMT

I hope this isn't feeding into your pet peeve.

LMAO.... totally laughed out loud! very observant, erich.... i'm guessing you got that from FB.
(if anyone has the right to do that... it would certainly be YOU)

oh, good! I was hoping you would catch the humor of that.
Yes, I got that from your thing on Facebook.

luv u 2

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feeds@yuku.com (noswrite) — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:47:42 GMT

"i guess i think of it more as a feeling from within... regardless of where it is coming from. that feeling of 'rightness.'"

Kind of like, a feeling of "no-choice?"

"This first modification of the mind is right knowledge. Meditation leads to this modification. And when you can rightly know and there is no need to prove, then...

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feeds@yuku.com (yogini db) — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:28:43 GMT

I hope this isn't feeding into your pet peeve.

LMAO.... totally laughed out loud! very observant, erich.... i'm guessing you got that from FB.
(if anyone has the right to do that... it would certainly be YOU)

no, you totally make sense. and yes, i suppose i DID give IT a name. you got me there.
i guess i think of it more as a feeling from within... regardless of where it is...

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feeds@yuku.com (Erich Schiffmann) — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:12:16 GMT

If I may...

And so, Darlene, I'm with you, too! But, just to be clear, you did give it a name! It took 18 letters. You said, "the deepest part of me." And I think that's great. Yes! But the reason it works to trust into the deepest part of yourself is because the you that you are is the specific and unique self-expression of the Totality, like a wave on the ocean. And that's what we've been saying for ages. You, as the wave, as a specific mind or...

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feeds@yuku.com (omcasey) — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:47:49 GMT

choice is a wonderful thing

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feeds@yuku.com (yogini db) — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:41:28 GMT

Surprising to hear Patanjali, who scientifically and systematically categorized the practice of Yoga, referred to as a BIG head trip.

not exactly sure what you thought i meant, mark... i am not saying that patanjali's discoveries and the practice of yoga is a BIG head trip. what i am saying is that it can become a big head trip, and unnecessarily complex, if one allows it.

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feeds@yuku.com (noswrite) — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:44:14 GMT

Absolutely!

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feeds@yuku.com (Erich Schiffmann) — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:07:26 GMT

excellent quote!

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feeds@yuku.com (noswrite) — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:11:46 GMT

Surprising to hear Patanjali, who scientifically and systematically categorized the practice of Yoga, referred to as a BIG head trip. Though, Osho certainly took his ration of misunderstanding for reporting the news.

"Insight will occur spontaneously when you are in the thought-free now. Clarification will take place. Resolutions to problems will float...

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feeds@yuku.com (lightdancer) — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:10:29 GMT

SimplyBill wrote:
And so the closer we get to the guidance the clearer the messages become without the distortion.

And as we wind on down the road....

Indeed!! Doubly! Yeah, if you wanna hear Jimmy then get close to the very place where he's coming through.

And if your mind is the very place where guidance comes through, get as close as possible to...

It's Dangerous to Believe Your Body is an Illusion

feeds@yuku.com (Erich Schiffmann) — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:20:39 GMT

RAJ: It is really very dangerous to your Sanity to believe that your body is an illusion. It is also dangerous to your Sanity to believe that your body is real, but it has nothing to do with God.

What is unreal about your body is all of the conclusions you have come to about it that have not held it in the context of the Allness of God-all the fears you have about it, all of the distrust you have about it, coupled with the ego's ongoing insistence that you don't deserve...