I am curious about how to really care for the largest organ in (on?) my body.
1. What is the right stuff to do for general skin well being; like soaps for the shower? I use Dr.Bronners peppermint soap; have been using it for decades.
What's optimal without getting all fanatic?
2. Facial Care - here is where I am just plain dumbfounded. Is it reality that the products I see advertised on television for hundreds of dollars really make
that much difference? Are those opportunities for the wealthy real products or are they just meaningless marketing hype? I would like to do what I can to
keep my youthful appearance ( har, har - me falling off my chair laughing). I would like to be the I can though.
3. And what about hair? My stylist says Pantene is the best kept secret and supplies the same benefits as much more expensive products. Or am I way off on
that?
Hope others find this discussion interesting.
Sparing a bird and looking forward to Tofurky,
Jay
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Skin/Hair Care - myths, realities, products, etc
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Posts: 10444 (11/26/08 04:26:17) Moderator |
Okay, once upon a time I was given the tiara for having the oiliest complexion my dermatologist had ever seen ...
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gazillion and one drying products all my life. I have learned that now, at this age, traditional bar soap is my enemy....way too drying.
I personally use this stuff on my face... http://store.alleonpharmacy.net/p742619.html It actually feels like I'm adding on oil, but I need that now. I use a moisturizer in the same line occasionally, but I'm still producing a lot of my own moisture. 
And I wash my body with this...http://www.amazon.com/Mic...ery&qid=1227701517&sr=8-2 because it smells good. Then I put this all over after a shower...http://www.shikai.com/products/lotions.htm ....in gardenia scent, because Darlene (yoginidb) gave it to me and I'm hooked. 
Hair.... from all I've read and experienced over the years, the shampoo is immaterial. I save money there and go with anything that's relatively cheap and smells good.... and I tend to switch around among a few of these cheapies after a few shampooings. I DO use Pantene conditioner and sometimes their shampoo too...any of the Pro-V line work well for me. I'm also leaving meat off my menu, as I have for a dozen years now. Looking forward to some yummy sweet taters! Mmmmmm... Happy Thanksgiving and hope you get some great ideas to improve you toilette. 
 Susan
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Posts: 1845 (11/26/08 05:14:17) |
Hmmm.... let me see... I do try to go for value for money products rather than expensive ones because the cheaper the product the
least chemicals added.
I did use organic products for a while but the cost is out of my budget now plus I didn't think the shampoos and conditioners were very effective. The facial and body care range wasn't too bad... Nowadays, as I have rosacea (under control now - whew!) I use Isoteliale isotonic cleansing water and Dermisoja to moisturize. I also prefer to use Pantene hair products, except at the moment I am using Herbal Essence because of the wonderful fragrance (bought some for my girls and just had to try it too); it's quite good but my hair does seem to prefer Pantene! I don't use any particular brand of shower gel but the fragrance is a biggy so I'll go for what's on special offer if I like the way it smells - quite important as I don't use perfumes or oils other than on 'special' occasions. My hub swears by Ach. Brito soaps and for fragrance, products from the Body Shop men's range as do my two eldest boys. And that's it! Good luck in finding your personal faves 
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Posts: 2455 (11/26/08 05:44:38) |
I did some reserarch on this question last year for myself.
According to Consumer Report and Paula Beugon ... Oil of Olay is the way to go. According to tests against more expensive brands ... Oil of Olay did what it said it would do better than other more expensive products claimed. During the summer I also love the Dr. Bonners soap and Almond oil for mositurizer. Winter its Aveeno for me. Lotions, body washes I love them all. I buy all of these products at Walgreens. r |
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Posts: 3084 (11/26/08 06:35:59) |
ayurveda has a whole process on this that uses oils and self massage...
with regards to shampoo, i think it is all about the ph levels and what your type hair needs... it's been a long time since i learned all this so maybe Ma can jump in here. some market products are way off and just loaded with heavy smells and push trends. even some of the "healthy" organic ones are very drying to the scalp. i'm just noticing that we are obsessed with cleaning the body and never allow the natural oils to surface and do their job although this naturally moves into diet and what we put in and well as on our body... |
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Posts: 4818 (11/26/08 10:36:56) |
humm....i like to try different things.....everynow and then....
always new stuff coming out and personally i don't think the more expensive the better.... i think you just have to find something you like and works... if i use the same shampoo my hair gets used to it...and it get limp after a while.... it needs a change everynow and then....so i have a few different products...whatever flips my fancy while i am at the health food store... been using alot of st ives products....and now arbornne products... and also use alot (on my body) of oil cause my body is getting dry too....(ayurveda recommendations) but i do look to see if it is tested on animals...don't like that....so try to buy products that aren;t.... and can't handle real strong smelly stuff.... kind of with lil....sometimes we seem to use too much and wash away our natural oils....  sandy
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Posts: 160 (11/26/08 16:02:50) |
Well, this is fun to know
It looks like people have a variety of ideas and most like to keep it inexpensive. Me too!
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Posts: 3266 (11/26/08 17:17:46) |
I keep reading facial care as fecal care
It is important 
As far as body goes I've used good ol Dove soap for ever, used to use it one my face, still do at times. For a while I was using a pricey olive oil product called DHC, loved it! but again, budgeting! I see a dermatologist every 4 months and he insists on retina. It can be drying, but has helped my complexion and is the only product barring surgery that helps wrinkles and sun damage. The only thing is you have to use sunscreen daily and I use nutregena. Aveeno is nice to. I use an under eye cream, was using samples I got from clinque, ran out and bought oil of olay. I've heard what Robyn heard about Olay! I also like something moist on the lips. Lip and under eye are thinner skin and dry out more so need extra TLC. Not much else to say, don't like scents unless they are natural oils. I found an aruvedic cocoa, vanilla oil and a cocoa, lavender oil. Makes me want to eat myself 
The more natural the better as far as all over body oil or cream goes, it's all absorbed through the skin, but things are pricey and sounds like the
stuff you use is OK!
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Posts: 2490 (11/26/08 17:31:40) |
Hi Jay....
I buy unscented, natural, non animal tested products (facesoap,lotion,shampoo/cond) & add my own essential oils.... except for the cream rinse I like & get sometimes....I don't like the feel of oil on my body so I use lotion. I pay a bit more but it lasts me a long time. I loved Dr Bronners & used it many years ago but I didn't like the filmy stuff from castile soap... Now I usually just use the shampoo suds for my body.. I think I would use the toner after you wash your face rather than instead but use a mild soap good ideas up there. & a light moisturizer with sunscreen after the toner. It's great to hear everyones ideas
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Posts: 3985 (11/26/08 17:57:58) Moderator |
Unfortunately, I'm allergic to Oil of Olay products... they give me a really nasty rash. I use whatever mild facial cleanser I can find on sale....
preferably unscented, and rarely use toner (witch hazel) any more. I like Alba moisturizer and eye gel, and I add some plain old Walgreen's brand zinc oxide sunscreen for the face before the
moisturizer since it doesn't contain any. If I can find Giovanni or Nature's Gate shampoo on a really good sale at the co-op, I like it -- otherwise
Pantene or whatever I can find that is not too smelly. Love this Giovanni leave-in conditioner, and a bottle of it lasts a really long time. I look for sales on Jason shower gels, and
before toweling off, I rub a little sesame oil, maybe with some nice smelling essential oil added, into my arms & legs while they are still wet.
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Posts: 2493 (11/26/08 18:13:43) |
yep, natures gate is what i get...
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Posts: 3085 (11/26/08 20:28:14) |
the self oil massage is call Abhyanga if anyone wants to read about it.
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Posts: 161 (11/27/08 10:07:04) |
I was talking with my sister about our skin/hair care discussion.
She told me that she always used mayonnaise on her hair when we were kids growing up. I never even noticed that it was going on. Of couse I had to ask her if Veganese works as well as stanard mayonnaise. She said she never tried it. She still uses mayonnaise. It sounds unusual to me to say the least. Anyone ever heard of that? She also uses plain Aloe Vera on her face regularly. So interesting! Any other unsuspected ideas? HAPPY THANKSGIVING. Jay |
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Posts: 4822 (11/27/08 20:05:23) |
yeah used to use that many many many years back....
we even used beer in our hair too! sandy
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Posts: 13141 (11/27/08 21:06:55) Asst. Administrator |
as young teens with curly, somewhat dry, hair, we always used mayo in our hair as a deep treatment
sort of like the product kolesterol that used to be out took a bit of time for the smell of the mayo to go away... 
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Posts: 131 (11/27/08 23:29:11) |
Recently heard this tip that a friend of mine got from a dermatologist. After you shower or wash your face, wait for about 20 minutes before adding moisturizer. I'm giving this a try. |
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Posts: 1442 (11/30/08 03:58:22) |
hehe, all girls talking
I shave my hair down to 3 mm and so a separate shampoo is rather pointless (though I never used one). I just wash all of me in body wash/shampoo. My fav one in the UK is Natural Source: mint in the winter and orange in the summer because the smell is amazing. I really miss not being able to mark the seasons that way in Chile (my brother brought me just mint when he visited). Here I just use a random cheap one. I use the mint in winter and on days when there is no sun. I also (and I admit this?) use an exfoliating rub thing once a week made from almond shells or something and is called St Ives Apricot scrub. I have astonishingly oily skin and I feel that, with the perma-sun in Santiago, the smog etc, it´s good to get rid of the dead skin that´s most exposed to the air and pollution I use a sun tan lotion on my face (I don´t like to as it just gives me spots) or just wear hats all the time.
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Posts: 4280 (11/30/08 07:49:35) |
thanks for starting this thread jay! very interesting.
before showering (as often as i can remember) i will dry brush my body from head to toe. it takes a little time, and i don't do it every day, but i can tell a difference when i do it. i buy all of my products online at lucky vitamin, with exception of oil of olay regular face wash. i just started using it about three months ago and my skin seems to love it. i massage it on and take it off with a wash cloth. i was using drying products AND toner prior to this, because the skin on my face is slightly oily, and i get occasional breakouts. when i started getting facials, the person told me this was not a good idea. my face was breaking out because i was stripping all of the natural oil from my skin. i'd love to use an "all natural" face cleanser, but i haven't found one yet that my skin likes. i've often thought about trying the DHC that ma was talking about.... still might. a few times per week as i am washing my face i will take a few extra minutes to "massage" as i wash. for a face moisturizer, i use MSM cream moisturizer with vitamine e. i love it. the msm is supposed to be excellent for wrinkles, according to this book. i use it on my face, neck, upper chest, and hands. it can also be helpful for pain, such as arthritis, from what i've heard. and it is inexpensive. for shampoo i use avalon organics awapuhi mango moisturizing shampoo. it smells awesome! i use different natural conditioners, some everyday use with henna for shine, and i also have a couple of deep conditioners i use once or twice a week. i also like heated olive oil as a deep conditioner. i massage it into the scalp and hair and let it sit for about 15 minutes, then shampoo. i use natural body soaps/wash... anything with lavender, honey, olive oil, shea, essential oils, etc. i absolutely love kiss my face lavender shea ultra body moisturizer! in the winter, i also use ayurvedic massage oils, or sesame oil (great for the vata dosha). sometimes before i shower, i massage myself head to toe with the sesame oil. i will also use other moisturizers on occasion.... i like burts bees products and coco butter/shea creams. for dry heals, i use a mixture of vinegar and glycerin (6:1). i put it on after i shower. my acupuncturist told me about this about 5 or 6 years ago, and i've been doing it since. it works great! happy washing!
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Posts: 162 (11/30/08 09:07:55) |
Yes, this is quite interesting for me too.
It unexpectedly reawakened some memories from my dating days. I was often astonished by all the products I would see in a woman's bathroom. I don't recall pondering it a great deal, but it did make me wonder about what they could possibly use all that stuff for.
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Posts: 163 (11/30/08 17:31:07) |
I was listening to KNBR, a sports radio station in the Bay Area and two of the regular show hosts (real men's men), got into a conversation about going to
spas. I am pretty sure that most of you never listen to that stuff, but the guys on sports radio just talk and talk about anything even if it's not about
sports.
So as the conversation continued they kept gradually revealing to one another that they do all this "spa-ish" stuff. Of course they kept making a point of reminding us they weren't gay and that they WERE real men. ( I was cracking up listening to them spilling the beans while keeping up their "image".) Anyway, one of them said to the other something about being in Las Vegas with his wife and and getting their feet massaged after soaking in wax I think it was. But, in trying to explain why it was still "manly" he said that it makes sense if you are walking all over Las Vegas on the concrete so then your feet need special attention. All in all I discovered these guys were closet rub junkies. Me? I am a completely "out" Rub Junkie! Luckily my wife is addicted to giving me hand and foot rubs, she just likes to keep her hands busy. Later they talked about professional athletes who get their cuticles done, get all kind of everything spa treatments. It actually makes sense when you think of it. If you need to use your hands to do your sports you kinda want them in as good condition as possible. Enough rambling. This may be boring all of you. jay |
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Posts: 1447 (12/01/08 03:31:46) |
ha.. I love the "manly" functional justification. They are just metrosexual and like having nice skin
 Not that I have a problem with that, but very funny
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