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omcasey |
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choice is a wonderful thing
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Erich Schiffmann |
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If I may...
And so, Darlene, I'm with you, too! But, just to be clear, you did give it a name! It took 18 letters. You said, "the deepest part of me." And I think that's great. Yes! But the reason it works to trust into the deepest part of yourself is because the you that you are is the specific and unique self-expression of the Totality, like a wave on the ocean. And that's what we've been saying for ages. You, as the wave, as a specific mind or individuality, are your own closest contact point with the wisdom of the ocean. When you sink into the deepest part of you, you are not sinking into your own private individuality only. You are sensing into the depths of the ocean. You as specific individuality, therefore, are your own personal conduit into the Ocean of Knowing via the inner portal of that which feels most right to you. But the reason it works is because we are all connected, and we are all connected because there is a oneness, a Unity, an Omnipresence presencing itself infinitely. And therefore, luckily, when anyone does truly do that which feels most right to them, does that which the deepest part of them is encouraging them to do, not just the acting out of their conditioning, then, unbeknownst to them, perhaps, that one is being congruent with the Whole, the ocean part, which is the rest of you and the totality of everyone! And so, you do that which feels most right to you and things work out for the best for yourself and others, plus you find yourself coming up with a whole new self definition or self awareness, something in the realm of, like you said: It is what IT is. But then, additionally, you are what you are because it is what it is. In other words, you are IT. You are That. Tat Twam Asi. You exist because the Totality is erupting through you as you. That's the essential insight in yoga head-tripping. You are That. I am That. All this is That, and that's that. I hope this isn't feeding into your pet peeve. with love Erich |
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yogini db |
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I hope this isn't feeding into your pet peeve.
LMAO.... totally laughed out loud! very observant, erich.... i'm guessing you got that from FB. (if anyone has the right to do that... it would certainly be YOU) no, you totally make sense. and yes, i suppose i DID give IT a name. you got me there. i guess i think of it more as a feeling from within... regardless of where it is coming from. that feeling of "rightness." this seems to work best for me. i relate to what you are saying about being a part of the ocean... and everyone is connected. yes, i understand this, and this too makes sense for me. the thing that bugs me is trying to figure out if it's ego.... if it's "guidance," if it's "god" talking to me, if it's my own personal guide.... when everyone is talking about the SAME thing!! i've been there... too often. it's just not fun. so, i'm just going with the old tried-and-true... "if it feels good... do it." thanks for the laugh! luv you. sit down before facts like a child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abysses nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. - thomas huxley
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"i guess i think of it more as a feeling from within... regardless of where it is coming from. that feeling of
'rightness.'"
Kind of like, a feeling of "no-choice?"
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"This first modification of the mind is right knowledge. Meditation leads to this modification. And when you can rightly know and there is no need to prove, then only mind can be dropped, not before it. When there is no need to prove, mind is not needed, because mind is a logical instrument.
"I made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it short."
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Erich Schiffmann |
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I hope this isn't feeding into your pet peeve. oh, good! I was hoping you would catch the humor of that. Yes, I got that from your thing on Facebook. luv u 2 |
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What I have found myself caught up in lately and I guess many also are, is the fact that believing Ego is bad-ugly-the worst, Ego is something to be gotten rid
of if there is to be any spiritual advancement, and Ego would be the cause for no advancement, it is the bad guy, mine is a man funnily!-anyway, so the egoless
state would be something to go towards, and Ego would be something to get rid of- and unknowingly- fight against....
But actually, now the more I think and meditate on it, I agree with Carie about the creation of just another duality.... In addition, Ego is probably the reason I went thousands of miles to Erich, and could be the reason why I am writing at this moment, whatever "good" there is some part of it must have as well been caused by my Ego, hence it is not something to fight against. I do have an Ego-ofcourse I do, where exactly do I throw it away?!?.... I think all spiritual books should have "Ego is not the Enemy" on the first page. Once it is the enemy, it becomes overruling, overpowering, owning and turns the windows smudgy. My body starts to tighten- my stomach turns, and interestingly, it starts talking about itself, in a dogmatic way Once it is NOT the enemy, once it is just there, and present, and is "whatever" or even with a British accent "whach-ev-vaaaaa", i think some space opens to actually clean the windows, even if for one second. I don't know how to explain it, but just this fact of not putting Ego into the enemy seat opposite of me, has made my meditations a bit more relaxing... If the line under the wave is the Ego, and it is the cause of suffering, it is still that same line that must have been the influence for so many yogis out there to begin their search...I don't know if this will work. But I now feel if I am doing yoga, if I came all the way over to LA to study, if I am constantly meditating and thinking about these things, Ego must have had a role in it. And just for that fact: Thanks! |
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did anyone else follow Mark's link and read this: Osho's enlightenment experience
just reading this gives new perspective about ego, about everything.
"Believe me, nothing of him has remained, not even a shadow. It died totally, utterly. It is not that I am just a modified RUP, transformed, modified form, transformed form of the old. No, there has been no continuity. That day of March twenty-first, the person who had lived for many many lives, for millennia, simply died. Another being, absolutely new, not connected at all with the old, started to exist." |
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"And so the closer we get to the guidance the clearer the messages become without the distortion."
One may get intimations, like peering into the predawn and sensing movement. But when the sun dawns, sudden illumination, no more darkness. The light is suddenly as close as it can ever be.
"I made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it short."
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Kit Spahr |
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Erich, you used to do this great wave/ocean drawing when you talked about this. The unique expression of the IT wave full of scribbly stuff, cut off from the
ocean, but not really, just thinking so. So it seems there has to be a certain amount of clearing out of the scribbly stuff or the message is unclear, yes?
It would seem the message would be unclear regardless of the "source" of the message...meaning even the day to day small stuff might be skewed, let
alone bigger things.
I had something more articulate to say in comment to Darlene's post but then my electricity went out for awhile and blah blah, it went away. It was something like this. In order to participate in a discussion such as this, whether it's online or in person, it requires words which require putting some sort of name to IT. That being the case, I often find it difficult to participate in discussions like this because the naming gets in my way (I let it of course). You know that image from Buddhism, I think, of the finger pointing at the moon? We get hung up looking at the finger and forget to look at the moon. I want to see the moon. I don't want to get distracted by the finger pointing at it...which is what naming feels like to me. I've always loved the wave/ocean analogy...even as we've moved on to the Internet of Mind and Snow Globes. When I'm feelin' it...I'm so wonderfully aware of being held by the ocean. And in that place, words feel very small. |
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Hi Kit,
Yes, I know what you mean. That's pretty much why, when I use words, I mostly use the word Infinity. It's difficult to conceptualize infinity, which helps keep conceptualizations to a minimum, which helps keep the tendency to think you've got it all figured out once you've given it a name at bay. Plus, using the word Infinity doesn't push the God button quite as readily for most people. Plus, it's inclusive, rather than exclusive. Though, I do capitalize the word, partly because it is a name, but also because for me it's a name that is referring to something truly awesome: GOD! And yet, on the other hand, once you sorta know what you're talking about, once you've caught a glimpse of the moon that all the fingers are pointing at, then it really doesn't matter what you or other people call it. You know we're all talking about the same thing. There's nothing else to be talking about. Christ Consciousness, Krishna Consciousness, Buddha Mind, it's all the same. These are terms that various peoples at various times have used to try to talk to one another about something they find themselves experiencing and wondering about, something they perceive and intuit to be their Source. I mean, even with the word moon, you know, some people would insist it's luna, some would insist it's lune, some would insist something else, and yet they are just different words for the very same Event. hellooooooo! Erich |
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Erich Schiffmann |
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here's a link to the wave & ocean DVD in case anyone is interested
I think it's good Casey filmed it haven't been using the terminology much lately, except sorta Wave & Ocean DVD |
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Sri D |
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Nice job, Casey and E!
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yogini db |
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And yet, on the other hand, once you sorta know what you're talking about, once you've caught a glimpse of the moon that all the fingers are
pointing at, then it really doesn't matter what you or other people call it.
nice sit down before facts like a child, and be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abysses nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. - thomas huxley |
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Kit Spahr |
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Yes, exactly.
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Dancing Lotus |
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that tell profound stories about Infinity but they slide right underneath people's defenses Wow Kit that is totally Erich!
That is what draws people to him! ~
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