How are things going with your wife? Are things smoothing out? I so hope the two of you are enjoying more moments of ease and laughter and the space to breathe in sync again.
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Hey Jay, no worries. I do sometimes wonder about peoples temperments, communication is key and sometimes different temperments just need that key to better
understand one another. I'm fascinated by the play of temperments.
How are things going with your wife? Are things smoothing out? I so hope the two of you are enjoying more moments of ease and laughter and the space to breathe in sync again. |
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Thanks for asking about my wife. It's a slow go it seems.
She is still not back to her usual continually energetic self. Sometimes sleeps in the daytime (which she literally never did before this). She says she is feeling much better but doesn't like the energy loss. She keeps a really positive, non-complaining, even cheerful, demeanor though. If it were me I would be complaining like an annoying parrot. Yes, we are enjoying an abundance of nice moments together. We do get a lot out of simply being together. And then of course occassionally your truly gets antsy and needs to "do something". Well, they say opposites attract and I believe it |
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ArjunaWeeping |
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I made a post on my blog yesterday about
my own experiences with depression. This may be news to some of you, others I am sure I have told, still more probably guessed.
It kind of feels important to me as part of the healing process to tell the world. Not in a whiney "feel sorry for me" way, more a kind of "you know, this is part of my life and I am not going to hide it any longer" way... Time to move on and leave it in the past where it belongs
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soylaolayelmar |
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I hear that Scott....I really do...
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drrona |
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scott,
beautifully written. thank you for opening up and expressing openly (not that you usually don't...but shedding is vulnerable) what you write about is (oddly enuf!) something so similar to what i have recently been molting. asking the questions of myself to attempt to let go of misleading thoughts and fears that have bound me falsely thinking, believing non-sense. stepping in to a new opportunity to re-form, re-frame is exciting, scary, joyous, bliss with moments of terror all swirled in a sort of dna helical stardust. i welcome this opening and join you (thank god for friends) willingly on this path (this is reminding me of a song: we're on the road to nowhere--not sure why) anyway blessings, inner bliss and strength and courage to see the false mask when it trys to shade the light within all things. big hugs a few tears of joy a giggle and wide eyes with love, all ways, rona
"I am a little pencil in the hand of a writing God who is sending a
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Dancing Lotus |
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walking with our eyes open always helps! ~ ~
We Radiate
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Way to go, Scott!
It looks like you have definitely taken the bull by the horns! It is always good when one gets to the point of coming to terms with depression so that it can then be turned into a method of moving towards a better, freer way of living.
Suzi PS Loved Colin's quote so much I put it up here in the Words to Live By thread (Edited to correct badly typed post)
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Sri D |
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And the truth shall set you free...
Susan
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Thanks all... it's a work-in-progress, but I really feel different now, like I turned some corner.
A life event pushed me to a really dark place, and I found myself staring out laughing at how silly all my ideas were - how I live my life in concepts, and interact with everything in my mind. I have recently joined a Zen group and, far from the horrors I expected from Zazen sitting I find it so comforting (if damned hard work) a practice, it really cuts through the layers of crap. Life is still as hard, I am just no longer looking for something different. To paraphrase Brad Warner - everything is sacred and everything is profane, yet at the same time nothing is sacred and nothing is profane. Mu like a cow, that's what I say! |
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The ahamkara, or individual mind keeps us rerunning these old movies, particularly if it feels threatened in some way - often by yoga practice! They are nearly
always variations on a few old favourites - Mum, Dad, partners past present and future, job, health. They are all to do with contraction, a sense of
separation/duality, which is what the mind does best. Get a few of those at once and you've got a real toxic brew! I've had a few in the last 6 months
I can tell you.
I'm not familiar with Zazen - I just sit, let the stuff arise, and hopefully see it for what it is. Pranayama is also excellent at dislodging stubborn "stuff". What I've found is that it helps me do the same during the day, rather than remaining "lost in the movie". Mostly doesn't happen immediately, but I'm a lot quicker noticing and putting a brake on it. As soon as the noticing happens, the pain diminishes greatly or disappears. Is this what happens in Zazen? I guess Zen groups are much more common than dedicated yoga meditation groups. I'm thinking of doing a vipassana 10-day retreat later this year.
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Scott, I just sat with a Zen group for the first time ever last week. It was a good experience, but I'm more at home with the Vipassana group I joined a
couple of years ago. Did a half-day sit last year with Amita Schmidt who has worked with depression most of her life... some good stuff at her website.
Spangled, you're right.... I know of a number of Buddhist meditation groups locally, but no yoga meditation groups or teachers. I'm going to do a
five-day retreat next month... hoping to do a ten-day in the next year or so.
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What a nice group showed up to this post!
Anyhoo...just catching up. I was so struck by Jay's earlier post about not having preconceptions about what is right for his wife's treatment. That in a nutshell is where I ended up with everyone I knew going through mental illnesses. The moment I was dead set against drugs is the moment someone was really helped by them. The moment I thought someone was better is the moment they got worse. The person I thought would never really be happy got a great therapist and turned her life around. You never know, and you have to just dare to not be so sure.
Be the realized
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ArjunaWeeping |
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A friend of mine recently said to me, "I know so many people with depression I am beginning to think it is the norm..."
I wonder how much truth there might be in this, if society's dangerous belief that there is something "more than this" isn't leading people down a dark alleyway from an early age. Zazen is great, but tough at the same time. It's real eyes-wide-open stuff (literally and metaphorically). I don't know enough to speak on the finer points, but for me it's an exercise in sitting there, just accepting your life as it is. I think there are differences in method and emphasis, but that's the over-riding spirit of the practice. What I often get is a different perspective - I sit for 25 mins, follwoed by a 5 min walking meditation, then another 25 mins sitting. In the first sitting lots of stuff comes up before me, some of it quite agitating. By the second sitting I seem to have put it all into proportion and usually the things that were bothering me ican laugh at, saying "Wow that REALLY doesn't matter at all!" I did try a longer practicet te other day, not so sure it was helpful - 3 x 55 min sessions with a 20 min break in-between. I ended up pretty angry all day LOL. I think there's a degree beyond which bringing up all your mindstuff is maybe too much, so the one session will do for now. In terms of overall feeling, the phrase that keeps coming back to me is Jack Nicholson's "As good as it gets." I feel that instead of leaving me with daft fantasies about how things SHOULD be, Zazen helps me say, "This is as good as it gets, so let's get on with it." Hope that makes sense. |
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Hi Scott,
Great post... it's interesting to read your experiences with the zazen. I only tried it once but the experience was positive and I thought at the time I must try it again sometime. The anger which arose from the longer sit probably shifted away some stuff but, yeah, taking it slowly would probably be a more comfortable way to go:) Also your friend's comments aren't far off from what our teacher on the TT said and most of the work we did was based around depression. The teacher says psycholgists are increasingly concerned as they say it is reaching epidemic proportions. At one point she also said that most people in our classes will either have suffered, be suffering from or will suffer at some time in their life from depression. An interesting, rather short, article here: http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20000101-000014.html
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Sri D |
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That's interesting, Scott, how the longer practice provoked feelings of anger. Too much of a good thing?
Susan
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soylaolayelmar |
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In my experience the practice dislodges the stuck emotion from the body(like anger)....
(belly is a huge hiding place) many of us have much emotional stuff ....OLD stuffed, old, old..... a good practice or even just 1 class has brought me to tears, laughter & anger. this doesn't happen all the time... but it kinda takes ya back a bit ..... It's a cleansing process..... 2 cents !
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Depression and anxiety seem to be rampant. Yes. I was listening to a Bill Moyer's interview with Parker Palmer. Mr. Palmer has dealt with depression
several times in his life. The interview was really about our current economic situation but he had this insight which I thought was amazing.
"The collapse of the U.S. housing market at the heart of the recent financial crisis is also, according to Parker Palmer, the collapse of a series of long-held illusions in American society: that housing prices will always rise, that Americans can live beyond their means forever, and that the growing gap between rich and poor doesn't matter. Everyone realized the system was unsustainable, Palmer, a writer, traveling teacher and activist, told Bill Moyers on the JOURNAL, but, "We don't want to know what we really know, because if we did, we'd have to change our lives."Ground that's safe to stand on. That has really stayed with me. I don't know how that feels to those of you currently living with depression. But it felt profound to me. Kit |
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