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RobynLGibson		#81	[-]
Posts: 2697 (05/21/09 02:56:49) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	tha it is difficult staying in an aware state around people Well stated Lil ... For me, sometimes the awareness of how hard it is to be aware around certain personality types and stay grounded, helps bring the arareness back. Casey, I am reading and trying to relate, but am grounded on this plane for now and at times during the day not grounded at all. Carie ... good post. r
Dancing Lotus		#82	[-]
Posts: 4964 (05/21/09 12:54:25) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	At at this time I would really like to get back to the original topic, as it's percolating in me and I think lots of people have things to discuss about the process of guidance/decision making. At this point perhaps I should start another thread. I will make this post and see if there is any discussion spurred and go from there. Carie, I am hoping you will share further about your insights from the gathering. *************************************************************** I hate making decisions, and I have been known to agonize over them in the past, so I am grateful for a new level of operating in relation to the decision making process. Susan said: So my coan is this; How do you decide not to decide? You decide.** Erich replied:...The full instruction is: Don't decide in advance; instead, LISTEN INWARDLY for what to do. Be attentive inwardly. Feel into your heart about what's right to do or not do. "Feel into your heart about what is right to do." I love that! The heart is the golden standard bearer! But often our minds masquerade as our hearts. An aspect of making decisions based on guidance came up surrounding going to the Gathering. At one point I had knowing that I should go and I made arrangements. Then some physical symptoms, along with the flu scare had me doubting and thinking perhaps I should cancel. I didn't, I just sort of hung out in faith and am so glad I did not succumb to a false need to rely on my rational mind. There just isn't enough info in our rational minds to make decisions, we have to quiet it down so we can access That,who/guidance/intuitive knowing (This can be seen as bringing the right brain into play). Yet even when we have that intuitive knowing, there are a couple of other minor details that can complicate things, both involve doubt. An aspect of time often ensues during which the outcome of action based on guidance has not surfaced. We have acted on what we thought was guidance and we see no immediate results, or perhaps evidence to the contrary. This can make it harder to act on guidance next time, unless we allow for some time to pass and look for tokens, or evidence that something did indeed occur. Some things need more time than others to manifest. Another aspect of the guidance process is that in the beginning, we are perhaps not sure where the guidance is coming from, or if it's just imagination. The feeling into your heart that Erich advocates up there is the only way to be sure. I have recently been taking an applied intuition course which has really been helpful. Through one of the exercises I received the following guidance. If it helps anyone else dealing with these issues I will be very happy I made this post . Being grounded in your knowing (guidance/who/that) does not mean having a rational proof for all the decisions you make. Also not making a decision, or changing a decision you've made can be a knowing. There are instances where it is not yet time to act, and you can know that. Looking at my experience surrounding being at the gathering, there were some occurrences that caused uncertainty, but it was correct to wait and see how things played out. If it had not been a good thing to go, I would have had a strong knowing. That is a principle, strong knowing not to do something is generally true, uncertainty means to delay decisions until more info or other circumstances have played out and you KNOW!! I guess that's really pretty simple, but hard for me to get for a long time. It feels like someone opened the curtain. ~ ~ edited to make some changes to first paragraph We Radiate rainbows for the benefit of all humanity. Last Edited By: Dancing Lotus 05/21/09 15:52:17. Edited 1 times.
SimplyBill		#83	[-]
Posts: 2599 (05/21/09 19:11:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Deciding not to decide, Well my CA trip was a journey into expect the unexpected. I had started a thread about my seemingly undecided plans. As it turns out I was meant to be there, so many decisions were made before I had a chance to decide myself. For no reason there were many processes that fell into place allowing my appearance. Most of which I cant explain. Letting go and letting the flow take me was the best, meeting and talking with people you gain perspectives on things if there are no preconceived ideas. Had I decided in advance that it would not be possible, then chances are I may have stayed in a rut and not taken my Yoga on the road. For what its worth each of you that I had personal contact with had very profound effects on me, Tim and the insight about how we view ourselves helped allay fear about a great many things. Meeting Kathleen and her beautific smile, both Marriannes, Randy, and how we each met each other without reservation and hugged because we felt lead to do so. I sat and had a chat wit Deb (ma) and that was very neat, I'm just blown away by the open arms still now as I write this. The point is when you(we) decide in advance we sometimes miss those opportunities to grow and learn. Listening for Guidance used to be so very difficult and still is sometimes when we turn on the brain that thinks but doesnt listen. As long as there is an openness to ourselves and the universe we can fully be the evolved being we were always meant to be... SimplyBill
Dancing Lotus		#84	[-]
Posts: 4966 (05/21/09 19:54:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Bill Yes how we met without reservation. I will always remember walking into the meeting room (after a few winks from my red eye flight) and finding you and Anne at the table and hugging you both without any reservations. Yogis yoging in the room. The beginning of a most enlightening weekend of openness, love, light , joy and laughter. Seems that's what happens when we follow our inner guidance! ~ ~ We Radiate rainbows for the benefit of all humanity.
Erich Schiffmann		#85	[-]
Posts: 3710 (05/21/09 20:07:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	exactly! well said
Dancing Lotus		#86	[-]
Posts: 4968 (05/21/09 20:10:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Erich I love you unconditionally and totally! We Radiate rainbows for the benefit of all humanity.
Erich Schiffmann		#87	[-]
Posts: 3711 (05/21/09 21:11:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	yum
Erich Schiffmann		#88	[-]
Posts: 3712 (05/21/09 21:14:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I got into the decision-making theme during this mornings opening talk in class. That and homework. I'm going to post it in the Audio and Video Files area in just a sec. Tuesday's talk was about homework, also, but that one isn't quite ready to post. I'll have both of them up there soon.
Greenkitchen		#89	[-]
Posts: 81 (05/22/09 06:34:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I've been off the board for a couple of days because I was guided to be still and read what everyone was saying and I didn't feel led to answer Casey's question. Initially, Erich's response to my post was the guidance and confirmation I needed. My decision to wait and not respond to Casey's question had me a little worried because I didn't want to be impolite, hurt Casey's feelings by responding without the benefit of tone of voice and eye contact and I didn't want to invalidate her question. This morning I got it...my tapes, conditioning, doubt, etc., were governing my thoughts so instead of feeling ok with the guidance and saying, I don't feel led to respond yet, I worried it in my head. What a great opportunity to learn the decide lesson!!! I'm grateful it only took a couple of days... . Someone said that being enlightened and dealing with unenlightend people was difficult. I want to amend that and say dealing with people is difficult, especially if you're like me, enlightened at times, not at others, but generally coming from a good place and not wanting to hurt people. As soon as anyone else is in the mix, the interaction becomes like a Mobius Strip, the never ending, one sided math puzzle. I guess that's why we're here on Earth, to work through the lessons so we can ascend. Erich, thanks for your repsonse and the lesson. Casey, thank you for asking your question and for everyone else's deep and beautiful response. Deep Bows to everyone. Susan
omcasey		#90	[-]
Posts: 8452 (05/22/09 07:59:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Susan, please, if you're not moved to reply, honor this, yes. My question was simply if you(any/everyone) would share their experience with me, if an actual experience, from the inside out could be relayed. But if noone wants to, feels moved to, that's alright, I fully understand.. By the 'face to face' talk request, I was only meaning to relay a feeling casualness, you know, like friends, breaking out the chai and on a sunny late afternoon diving into some good conversation . . still open if anyone else is . .
Dancing Lotus		#91	[-]
Posts: 4970 (05/22/09 09:45:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Erich thank you always, all ways for your generosity. "Open up your crown chakra, put up the antenna... the wondering opens us up..." It is the all the time part I am seeking, that intuitive knowing without getting disconnected. Susan Thank you for sharing honestly. The doubt thing you describe so clearly is one of those minor details complicating the practice of guidance I spoke of in my post. I too felt some what awkward going back to the original topic, it was my guidance to share, then I almost went back and deleted the post, but I knew I could not. Just in case you haven't found it yet Here's the link to the audio Erich mentions above Online all the time from there you can access lots of audios just go home from the link above. Casey I am just wondering if you have anything to share about your experience with the guidance/decision making process in a sitting on the front porch swing hangin out together kind of way? We Radiate rainbows for the benefit of all humanity.
Lillylulu		#92	[-]
Posts: 3459 (05/22/09 10:25:01) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	i was asking for guidance on the idea of why it is difficult to stay connected in deep awareness (not enlightenment) when around people... just yesterday i went to meditate at the Vedic Temple. i came out of there in deep silence. and then the answer to my question came thru. a earlier post shared that to know others as deeply as i know myself would be too much clutter... i couldn't identify with this as i read it, but the answer i received is along the lines of clutter but maybe from a different slant. When we are in deep silence, (the place where guidance comes thru), the clutter of ideas/emotions, etc. within our inner space is not there or is less. in a place of awareness, where connection is made to everything around me, and i can see "no boundary" between the object and myself, (oneness) the object is usually a tree, animal, rock, etc. but when a person shows up, the connection gets diluted. the answer that came thru was that when the inner clutter/chatter of the people we meet is pretty high, then that acts as a wall (not the right word) or boundary that cuts the connection off or diminishes it... this is why when around someone like Erich, and even a group setting like the gathering, it is easier to stay connected, because of the continual state of meditation (or staying on-line) where our inner space isn't all crowded with chatter/clutter, that is practiced and shows up... this is what came thru to me and it seems to tie both conversations here together, but i don't feel it is always necessary to do so, or one is more important than the other, do you? Last Edited By: Lillylulu 05/22/09 10:31:22. Edited 1 times.
Greenkitchen		#93	[-]
Posts: 86 (05/22/09 11:17:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Kathleen, thanks for the link, I'll be clicking as soon as I post this. I know what you mean about almost deleting a post. I've been tempted to do that too. Steven Covey teaches us to seek to understand ranther than be understood in our relationships with others...hell, I get it and at the same time I don't want to be mis-understood!! Oh, bother! Casey, I love your choice of words, 'sittin on the front porch in a swing kind of way'. If we were on the porch when you posed the original question I would have poured you another glass of lemonade and said, "I'm not really sure how to answer...tell me more?" So I guess I'll ask you too, do you have anything you can share with us about decisions? Susan
Dancing Lotus		#94	[-]
Posts: 4974 (05/22/09 12:20:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Lil you do have an uncanny way of weaving things together. I so get the part about being connected to a tree or hawk, or lizard, a bit more clearly than most connections with humans. This is part of a realization I had at the gathering~ that perhaps it is my expectation ~ that the clutter people carry around would dilute or render ineffective any love and light I have to share. I realized that each time I am able to move in the world from that place of deep connection, it is more likely that I will gently touch a space in the other where we are one and there will be a resonance, and we will both lighten up a bit. It is not my job to enlighten others, rather it is my purpose to radiate light. When I am boxing others in by preconceiving what they may be ready for, or not interacting because I fear I will be misunderstood, those preconceptions/prejudices themselves keep me from being grounded and dilute my connection to Source, as well as prempt the possibility that I might be able to extend that gentle touch, uplifting both myself and the other. (Not something I am responsible for, but rather a synergy brought about by the interaction) wow, I hope that flies! "this is why when around someone like Erich, and even a group setting like the gathering, it is easier to stay connected," ~ lil This is exactly what I experienced at the gathering, and through that experience I am embolden and have brought the awareness of the many realizations home with me. Each of us being authentically connected emboldens us to remain connected even when that human connection with other others may be diluted ~ We can still cling to our primary connection and our connection to others who are as kin to us. (all our relations) And Erich hinted that we need to go a step further and extend our boundaries to include others we may not understand. At least to the degree that it does not cause us to disconnect. (I think that's the gist of what you said Erich ~ can't wait until I watch that DVD) I don't think it is always necessary to tie two things together. I don't think it works well if we do so arbitrarily. But I find it pretty amazingly satisfying when things come together in a natural manner based on each participant being authentic. Also lil I enjoy that you brought in the aspect of using guidance to better understand things in general, in addition to just for specific decisions that need to be made. Susan That link will be a gold mine for you! ~ ~ We Radiate rainbows for the benefit of all humanity. Last Edited By: Dancing Lotus 05/22/09 12:23:58. Edited 1 times.
omcasey		#95	[-]
Posts: 8454 (05/22/09 12:35:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Susan, Kathleen, . . The decision making(/being in collaboration with God, Guidance, etc.) process is important, it is the essence of what I am bringing to the porch here in relation, yet, itself is not the bit that's really lighting up for me at the moment. I can, if anyone is interested, share what actually happens through my accessing Guidance -I can relay what I experience and the ways in which this experience is expanding, and through which new experience is now arising.. I would love to do this, and would be most welcoming of anyone who would be open to sharing their experience(s) also . . a lemonade sounds really good .
Lillylulu		#96	[-]
Posts: 3461 (05/22/09 13:15:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hi kathleen. i can feel your energy and how you are filled up from the gathering experience... it is wonderful to feel. i think, though, that i might be talking about something a bit different than connecting with Source and then connecting with others...i have a feeling too that Casey is asking for something that isn't so obvious. the deep awareness of oneness that i was getting at, isn't just feeling connected to Source it is BEING Source ITSELF where the boundary dissolves between me and things... this is the spot i was trying to get at and why when a person who i may know or not know, comes along, that awareness shifts... this may not make any sense and that's ok... i have something to work with now with the guidance that came thru...
omcasey		#97	[-]
Posts: 8457 (05/22/09 13:30:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I am surprised it is not obvious. I'm only asking if anyone will share their point of view (of themself) -through any one of the experiences this point of view is manifesting for them . . as related to the subject at hand, Guidance/deciding not to decide/opening to a broader perspective . .
Greenkitchen		#98	[-]
Posts: 91 (05/22/09 14:00:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Seems to me that the decision making process really isn't important if we listen for guidance and then go with what we feel. When I do that (connect with Big Mind), I get this (guidance). Therefore, don't decide - connect, listen and do.
omcasey		#99	[-]
Posts: 8458 (05/22/09 14:05:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Susan, that IS the decision making (ie: being in collaboration with God/Guidance) process exactly! . .
omcasey		#100	[-]
Posts: 8459 (05/22/09 14:10:49) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	AND! and and and and . . . . . . It really is this precise, there's no more to it, which is the prompt behind me now asking of you(everyone) --when YOU do this what happens!? . . How do you experience this? What new experiences manifest for you?.. etc.. this is really all that's left .

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