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elegant homunculus |
Global Warming Flame War (warning: this is a nasty thread) |
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elegant homunculus |
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ra2dom |
Take part in the largest climate change experiment ever | ||
Yvonne |
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I have just downloaded the BBC experiment on to my computer and my experiment is spinning away as we speak. I am user 106895 so there are thousands of people world wide taking part in this experiment.
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Suzi |
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I've downloaded it too and sent e-mails to friends and family with the link Ella posted. I hope they all join in too!
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Suzanne LaForest |
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If you really want to see something cool about Global Warming (or disturbing, depending on your p.o.v.), go to the Science Museum in DC that's down the street from the Spy Museum. I'll try to get the name of it. It's a private museum, not part of the Smithsonian system.
Anyway, it has this timeline of the century, and a monitor that glides over the years. The monitor has a world map on it and as you glide through the timeline, it shows the average temperatures for that year, color coded...with blues and greens being lower than normal and red and orange higher than normal. Though there were some spike years along the way where the whole globe goes red, it's striking how uniformly the world has become red or orange over the past twenty years. It's an amazing display and really drives home that, yes, this is happening. Be the realized teacher.
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elegant homunculus |
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Here's a clip from Dr. James Hansen's appearance on 60 minutes. He's the climate scientist who has claimed that the White House has been trying to censor him.
www.crooksandliars.com/20...html#a7587 |
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ginaeasp |
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I have been mulling this over for a few weeks now. I began to mull big time after the 60 minutes piece. (That and watching day after tomorrow that same week...)
I recycle to the hilt, try to live low toll on the earth , take seriously the 7 generations approach and yet, after 60 minutes-if there are "only" 10 years until a tipping point is reached-what else can I do? I teach and have always used recycled materials in all of my classes. I have decided to be more articulate about why I do this in all of my classes. (my little crusade so to speak) I make art and use as many techniques as possible to avoid waste...and yet I have a deep sense that this is not enough. What else? What else? I guess I have always had this sense that we were not taking care of the earth and I now have this fear it will soon not be able to "take care" of us. Are we on the Titanic, heading towards an iceberg? And have we been give notice? Approximately 10 years worth of notice? Then why aren't "we" doing something to turn the ship around? Not to be silly but shouldn't we all drop what we are doing and put our best effort into saving the earth, air, water...or is it just me? |
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elegant homunculus |
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elegant homunculus |
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elegant homunculus |
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Each time I try to respond to the ginaeasp I end up with a very pessimistic rant about the state of the world, so I'm going to wait untill I'm more equanimous to respond.
In the meantime, check out WorldChanging for some good ideas and a more optimistic attitude. |
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Shakti Das |
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Good to hear you speaking your, Gina. We are with you in spirit, Gina. Social change regarding our ecological footprint is a matter of consciousness and sensitivity.
Yes it is totally criminal. Katrina is just the tip of the iceberg to be sure. Its been fascinating to see how all the scientists have become successfully dissed. It proves to me that most people would rather believe in a comfortable self gratifying lie than the truth. Certainly never suggest to a dogmatist, ideologue, propagandist or evangelical preacher that they are wrong! Its their job to prove themselves right, of course. The common approach is just to hope it will go away, or deny that it isnt happening, or at least deny that we are responsible. maybe some miracle of science will save us or Jesus, or Buddha, or certainly our leaders would not lie to us. Duh. Such dysfunctional thinking and blind belief THE factor why the US is the leading Greenhouse gas polluter and refuses to do anything about it. Thats simply the preferred way of belief by ignoring the facts because they dont fit into our pride and prejudice. This has been US policy because of the support of the US populace. That is why I say it is a matter of consciousness versus individual initiative. Say if 25% of the people realize the dire consequences of the situation (as a result of human greenhouse gas emissions) and they practice ecologically sound personal methods. So what? its not enough. It doesnt stop the majority of the pollution, hence collective action at a national and institutional level is required. So the first cop out, think globally act locally doesnt work even though its self gratifying and simple. Neither political party is really up to regulate industry, rather they are controlled/owned by it as well as status quo financial institutions and the military. Why? Only because the people support those two major parties, both of whom are in the pockets of the keep me rich gang who do not want to take any responsibility to the people or future generations. Thats it in the nutshell and hence a very solvable problematical situation, if people wake up and acknowledge/recognize it. This takes worldwide cooperation and people must demand that from their governments by electing honest leadership. Will they? Then again if people dont they will suffer the consequences of their ignorance that is more suffering. No one knows the future (like how many days or months or years) anybody has left for sure, but to sit back, ignore, deny and/or do nothing about this is permitting it to happen (imo). That is why I help out some with a few organizations (I dont think we can make effective change in this situation isolated and divided). So I am with you in looking for more effective methods, by FIRST recognizing that methods of the past are not working, havent worked, etc. I think it should be clear by now that the political system has failed to provide checks and balances and requires a huge overhaul electorally. Lots of organized ignorance and denial going on to be sure fear and nihilism also. This is a transgenerational quest it is evolutionary, so I encourage you not to fall into despair, fear, or grief, rather thats what some would like you do. many would have you simply pray Donny |
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enekahiyep(d) |
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Quote: I agree, we need wisdom combined with action. Many would have you simply meditate. We need all three prayer, meditation and action, plus being present each moment to the degree that we can. Aho Mitakuye Oyasin ~ presence to all our relations. kathleen |
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elegant homunculus |
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elegant homunculus |
"Underwater holocaust" | ||
Rutabaga |
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Nuttin' Dummer
than a Hummer That my newest bumper sticker. R |
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Sri D |
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Rutabaga |
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Hi Cupcake,
Great to see you at Dave's memorial party. I'm off to the northwest on Tuesday, still in search of the ultimate yoga/adventure retreat. I'm nothing if not persistent. I've been concentrating on Vancouver Island and the Gulf Islands and we're close enough with one spot that we're off this time to survey the waterfront for the potential dock. We're looking to build a maritime adventure center where we can host yoga retreats etc. A big lodge with lots of good kayaks, open water sliding seat pulling boats like Whitehalls etc, and a big sailing cat or two so that someone could get some great exercise, learn some valuable boating skills, and perhaps have themselves quite an adventure joining in with the activities of the maritime lodge setting. Before the advent of outboard motors, there were rowing and boating clubs all over the place and it's time they came back into our lives and our consciousness. We lost a connection when we lost rowing as an activity for regular folks. Now rowing is relegated to some college elitist thing except for the rare club like the South End Rowing club in SF etc. We're out to change that, and somehow I feel like that all ties into issues like global warming etc. Reconnecting to the planet seems like our only way to start caring about it. Generations are drawn further and further away from natural settings and a heartfelt connection to mother earth is the only way to make it matter. Plus I want to go play with boats! Be well. Rob |
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Interesting, Rob. I'm on Vancouver Island, so of course I am very curious about where you are looking, but understand if it's gotta be kept under wraps. We have always had lots of Americans around here, but the amount of property being sold to you all since the last election has increased quite *noticeably*.
Ah well, we Canadians are pretty laid back and pretty much take all comers. Wish some of those illegal Mexicans would make their way up here, though - we could sure use some decent Mexican food. ;-) Lianne<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START---<a href="http://www.yogalila.com">Yogalila</a><!--EZCODE LINK END---
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Rutabaga |
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Lianne,
I passed through Nanaimo and had a real good Mexican meal at a funky joint up the hill from downtown. Given all the good restaurants in Vic, I was surprised not to find good Mex there though. As to the big bail out of US citizens to just about anywhere other than freaked out Amurika, I hear you. Can you blame us? Who wouldn't want to live in a country whose money is called a loony? I've been threatening this since Reagan ran for governor of California back in the stone age, so you can see that you're not at great risk, yet. But with the amount of relatives I've got in Canada FAR out numbering what's here in the US, I'm not so sure I'm bailing out as bailing in. Plus I'm teaming up with mostly Canoodians to make this happen. To stay on topic Rob |
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ginaeasp |
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The individual effort, Correll said, "is damn important, but you're not going to make much difference." That requires group or governmental action, he said. Individual action, while crucial, "gets you 10, 20, 50 percent of the way," Schneider said. Many of the scientists who have long been vocal skeptics of global warming now acknowledge that the Earth is getting hotter and that some of it is caused by people. Even so, this minority of scientists, such as John Christy of the University of Alabama at Huntsville, contend that the warming is "not on this dangerous trajectory." But Environmental Defense is spending about $1.5 million over three years on the public service ads, including the child in front of the train, to drive home to the public that warming is on a dangerous track and that individuals can and should do something about it. The ads, released in late March and arranged with the Ad Council, which produced iconic anti-littering and anti-drunk driving campaigns, are being run for free nationwide, said Fred Krupp, Environmental Defense's executive director. "We expect at least $100 million worth of time and space over the next two years, so it is a big deal," Krupp said. "When we are successful in making an issue that every American feels responsible to act on, that in itself can reduce emissions." Krupp said scientists don't take into account the American will: "Don't underestimate the willpower of Americans when they take on a problem." But computer model runs at the atmospheric center's Boulder, Colo., campus show Environmental Defense's train image might be too close to the truth. "It's a train that's going downhill; that is something that people don't understand," Meehl said. "For anything to happen, it's going to have to take the public really being concerned about this problem." |
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