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yuri2006	The place of Uddiyana	Lead	[-]
Posts: 2 (05/25/08 06:38:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Hi, I would like to ask what is the best place for Uddiyana in the practice. I do it during my morning practice. I tried it before asanas, but the body is not always warm enough, and I feel it's too powerful, and sometimes give me unpleasant sensations in the heart. Then I started to do it after asanas. It works fine, when I don't do upturned postures after the practice. But when I do, I don't think it's a good idea to rise and try uddiyana after them. I feel this practice (uddiyana) important enough as far as it helps to solve some of my stomach problems, and would not like to balk. What's the eperience of seasoned yogis? Thanks
madeaux		#1	[-]
Posts: 100 (05/25/08 18:36:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I like to do it in the middle of practice, after I am warmed up, but before I have gotten into the deepest poses. You can incorporate it into asana and do it whenever it feels right, it does not have to be a separate practice. I love to combine the different yoga practices together: asana, pranayama, meditation... Who says they have to be separate practices? mado
purnayoga		#2	[-]
Posts: 249 (05/25/08 19:41:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Shall I presume you are referring to Uddiyana the Kriya? The drawing up and sucking in of the abdominal contents from the pubis to the xiphoid process? Can I further suppose you are doing the kriya alone rather than doing it in asana? I am aware this bandha stokes the element of fire and supports the spine. However it also lifts and presses the abdominal contents into the diaphragm and the diaphragm itself presses into the lungs and heart. Therefore it is important not to apply the bandha other than with the breath evacuated from the lungs (following exhalation). Otherwise the breath fights the bandha and it can be damaging to the nervous system. This may account for your unpleasantness in the heart, though I do not know how you are executing the bandha since you have not outlined it here. If you are feeling pressure on the heart I would certainly not do Uddiyana at that time in your practice and may even reconsider implementing it at all. If you do it I would suggest doing it after your asana practice but before Savasana. ========================== The spoken word is your master, the unspoken word your slave.
yuri2006		#3	[-]
Posts: 3 (05/26/08 07:47:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks for your replies. To purnayoga: Yes, I do Uddiyana with my lungs empty after exhalation. I really do 2 versions: (a) Uddiyana Bandha (b) Uddiyana Kriya. The first is still, while in the 2nd I move diaphragm, and the stomach moves in and out I don't practice Uddiyana during asanas. During full breathing I keep light Uddiyana (I do it with muscles of stomach rather than with the diaphragm) during retention after inhale and exhale To madeaux: It's interesting. I always thought that long enough Shavasana or rest is required between asanas and full breathing as well as between full breathing and asanas
madeaux		#4	[-]
Posts: 104 (05/26/08 17:52:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Do you not breathe fully during your asana? Naturally, different lineages of yoga will have different rules as to how to practice. There is certainly benefit in respecting the rules passed on by your teacher. There is also benefit in experimenting and seeing how a sequence or practice affects you. I do not study a style that requires a savasana in between asana and pranayama (or Kriya or meditation). I enjoy mixing up the practices in ways that work for the way I feel on a specific day. It is often said that yoga is a science. Are we not then the scientists? Is it not our duty to not only perform our yoga, but to experiment and observe? mado
ma data		#5	[-]
Posts: 2720 (05/27/08 11:00:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Lately I've been practicing nauli first thing in the morning before I eat or drink anything. Mostly I just start in a wide stance, empty, chin tucked doing a little churning in both directions. It seems to help with regularity. I'm still not adept at isolating the (forgive my lack of terminology), main muscle down the center but get a very good wave going. Then I stand unlock the chin and inhale! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcvYky7p5iE I am NO where near this advanced!!! But I am in awe of his control( all in time). I don't know if I'm doing this at the right or wrong time, but this is what I feel good doing. PS I follow that with neti. Good luck on your path. Ma Last Edited By: ma data 05/27/08 11:07:14. Edited 1 times.
simpleyogini		#6	[-]
Posts: 3832 (05/27/08 12:33:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	but this is what I feel good doing. agreed ma..... there are so many ways on how this is taught....so I would find what practice works well with your body needs.... sandy We do not need to be the same, or think the same But we can hold hands as fellow travelers in this life.
Lillylulu		#7	[-]
Posts: 2761 (05/27/08 13:44:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Light on Yoga (Iyengar) has good instructions with Uddiyana and Nauli. Step # 9 on Uddiyana reads: "Relax the abdominal muscles but without moving the chin and head. If the latter move, strain is at once felt in the region of the heart." maybe trying it this way will help...becuz i believe that neck lock directs the energy to the sushmuna relative to the heart...past the neck and away from eyes, ears... lil
ma data		#8	[-]
Posts: 2721 (05/27/08 14:22:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	That sounds like good advice Lil. here are a few more clips, I just love the Iyengar one!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcPjvp4La8A&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd_eTupTCbI&feature=related Ma
etern s e i		#9	[-]
Posts: 280 (06/02/08 05:01:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Yuri, I'm not familiar with Uddiyana Kriya. Maybe it is Nauli Kriya? If yes then you probably know that it is not about moving the stomach but the abdominal muscles - there are a lot of explanations about Nauli Kriya on internet so I'll not detail it here. Indeed Uddiyana and Nauli are some of the best ways to improve the stomach health and also the other things related to digestion (liver and so on). I tested them on myself also and they really did a great job. From what I've learned and experienced it is best to start the sadhana with asanas standing in your feet (padahastasana, talasana, trikonasana and so on), then Uddiyana, then Nauli, then asanas on the ground (Paschimotanasana, Badrasana, Bhujangasana and so on). After asanas you can do some pranayama. In the end it is a must to do Shavasana. About combinations between asanas, bandhas, pranayamas it is best on the begining (at least) to not mix things. Indeed yoga is a science and like every science it is best to not perform random experiments due to unexpected (even undesired) results. Even the simplest asana exercised long enough is a very good experiment to let one learn the laws of the yoga science. After at least some of these laws are achieved then there is place for combinations.
spangled		#10	[-]
Posts: 2191 (06/04/08 07:11:21) Barkeep Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Uddijanna kriya sounds quite similar to kapalbhati, where the stomach expells the breath rhythmically. This is often followed by full udiyanna with external retention. Udiyanna is possible in asana, although most usually as an "extended" moola bandha. Ashtangis practice it as a slight firming of the lower belly. Its very cool in pascimottanasana. You can get the full version going, and have jalandhara at the same time. The forward bend feels very different. And of course maha mudra (the yoga posture, not the Buddhist practice) can be full udiyanna in a variation of janu sirsasana. Very powerful practice. Last Edited By: spangled 06/04/08 07:16:14. Edited 1 times.

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