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Posts: 3090 (09/30/08 09:48:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None One of the women in my Curves class is having trouble with very tight shoulder muscles after class. She frequently goes to acupuncture after yoga class and the last month or so her shoulder muscles are so tight the Dr. has had problems inserting the needles and it is painful. You may have heard me make reference to her. She is the competitive ballroom dancer and as a result is very flexible. Head of the cow pose is her normal comfortable sitting position. Her normal day job is as an accountant and I don't know if anything has change there that would make any difference. Any suggestions and/or thoughts on both the computer dunce question and the sore shoulder question. Jim
purnayoga		#1	[-]
Posts: 293 (09/30/08 10:38:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	What computer dunce question? As for the student, could you provide us a bit more background on her. I find it challenging to give direction when I don't know the student at all. And since I'm further cloaked by not being able to see the student I am reliant upon words to paint a verbal picture. Are her shoulders tight or sore or both? Are they in that state before class as well as after? Some light please.... ========================== The spoken word is your master, the unspoken word your slave.
ma data		#2	[-]
Posts: 3093 (09/30/08 13:40:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Purna, I was calling out to you! Glad you got the message. Jim seems to be having trouble getting a message on board. He can't get his cursor past title? He will check in here and I'll be a go between. Please stay tuned. Ma PS if any one knows why he can't post please shed some light
purnayoga		#3	[-]
Posts: 295 (09/30/08 17:27:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Advise he try with an alternative web browser. If the issue follows to that browser than it's something with his system. Presuming he's not gotten a virus it may be Java related as I think the reply window (not the "Quick Reply" window) may be java based. If he's running on a mac there may be a Java update he can run through his Software Update engine. Probably something similar on the PC as they've undoubtedly copied it by now. If you know more about his computer issue, do tell. ========================== The spoken word is your master, the unspoken word your slave.
Hotai		#4	[-]
Posts: 28 (10/02/08 05:46:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I finally figured out how to get on this board with out having to relay through ma data, but I will keep my computer dunce hat handy for future use. My student has been suffering with the tight shoulders since the middle of August. After the last class, two weeks ago, there was actual pain in the left shoulder. She is not aware of any life style changes and/or extra stress at work or home that might be causing any problems. She did purchased a new Saturn at the end of June but she states that the seats in it are much more comfortable that her previous car. Sometimes Ma data thinks I run a energetic class but this class is mostly beginners so it is rather basic and laid back. In fact this student is the most experienced yogi in the class.
purnayoga		#5	[-]
Posts: 296 (10/02/08 10:18:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hello Jim, PHYSICAL- Describe her (asana) practice please. In what poses does she have visible limitation and/or discomfort? Does she have pain from palpation? If so where? Does the pain go away when lying supine? Does it go away with a hot shower? Is it better in the morning or evening? Is it only after asana? EMOTIONAL - If you have a close relationship with this student consider asking her in what way(s) she feels she's bearing "the weight of the world". Advise you find your own way into this with your own words. Simply because a student is not aware of life style changes or stresses does not mean they are not there for the looking. Our charge is to guide them to introspection in a kind, compassionate, effective way. NUTRITIONAL - Outline her diet please. There may be some changes there to support her wellness. ========================== The spoken word is your master, the unspoken word your slave. Last Edited By: purnayoga 10/02/08 10:24:46. Edited 2 times.
Hotai	Response to Purna's questions	#6	[-]
Posts: 29 (10/21/08 06:25:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Purna Sorry it took so long to respond. I think that you will understand why when you look at her schedule. There is no regularity to her schedule but she does try to do as much as possible each week and it normally involves, 1 - 3 Yoga/Pilate's classes a week, 1 - 3 body sculpting/kickboxing classes per week, She is a competitive ballroom dancer and practices with a partner 1 - 8 hours per week plus dance practice alone for 2 - 5 hours per week, then it is Tia Chi for 3 - 5 hours per week. Knowing her she is doing the max each week. In addition she works at least eight hours per day and has an hour to hour and a half commute each day. She is an accountant so the last week of the month and quarter always involve longer hours. Her dance competitons are about one every other month or so and they do involve traveling. She sees a chiropractor, LMT and a acupuncture physician once ever three weeks. She does not have any visible limitations or discomfort in any pose. No heart palpitations The pain is better after a hot shower Normally when she is laying down she is sleeping and the pain does not keep her awake. She normally does not have the pain in the morning. Pain is apparent normally after yoga Diet is primarily fruits and vegetables (primarily raw) but not a strict vegetarian, very little fast food or fried food. Lots of water and green tea. Very little soda. Her on the run snacks are protein drinks or protein bars. She also juices the vegetables for an on the run drink. When you add the hours for all of this plus her drive time to get to and from all of these classes/places it leaves her about 9 hours per day to do everything else including sleep. She appears to be very laid back and calm, but I wonder if her hectic schdule isn't sufficient reason to cause pain Jim
ma data		#7	[-]
Posts: 3135 (10/21/08 08:56:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	OMG!!! I thought I was busy!!! We'll see what Purna has to say...
purnayoga		#8	[-]
Posts: 311 (10/21/08 20:41:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	So Jim beyond the obvious stuff here are you saying she has mobile shoulders in Setu Bandha, Sarvangasana, Garudasana, and Gomukhasana? Generally speaking she's leading a very Yang life. With no other info it would have to be an out of balance condition and that could lead to just about anything. If it only results in tight shoulder muscles she's leading a charmed life. So it is not so much that her life is "full" but that it is full of imbalance. Futhermore I'd guess her nervous system is completely disoriented. I'd point to the reference of eating on the run. My guess is she does everything "on the run". Eating is meant to fall in the state of the parasympathic nervous system so that digestion can be effectively executed. In that way nutrients are more fully drawn in to the body and therefore more fully utilized. Eating on the run, much like keeping the eyes closed in active poses and keeping them open in the passive ones confuses the nervous system greatly. Energetically we pose the question of what "weight is she shouldering" in her life. However she will likely fight off any probing or shift that isn't very very subtle. I'd suggest the following: Emphasize the importance of Savasana (in class or directly with her if you have such a relationship that allows it). Have students keep the eyes open in the active poses and close them in the passive ones so the nervous system can begin to stabilize. Suggest to her that she have a 2 minute savasana periodically throughout her day. If that is too much then suggest once per day but a minimum of 5 minutes. Ask her to make some subtle changes in her diet. I'd begin with the elimination of caffeine. Refined sugar would be next followed by dairy products. Since you did not outline her asana sequence it's tough for me to make a suggestion there. If she is doing poses which require weight-bearing by the arms - Chaturanga, Phalakasana, Vasisthasana, Ashtanga Namaskar, Bhujangasana, Bakasana, Adho Mukha Vrksasana et al - please make certain she has integrity of the shoulder joint. this typically means two things. One, that the humerus is drawn into its socket but is moved by the shoulder blade (rather than shoulder joint), and two that the student explore and discover the activation of the serratus anterior. Sorry I cannot be of more help. namaste, gordon ========================== The spoken word is your master, the unspoken word your slave. Last Edited By: purnayoga 10/21/08 20:44:30. Edited 1 times.
Hotai	OMG is right	#9	[-]
Posts: 30 (10/22/08 11:04:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Purna I have to agree with ma's reaction. Thanks for the advice I will try and work with her and see if any of your suggestions can provide some relief. I agree with your "yang life" analysis. I have a good relationship with her but I am not sure that I can change her life style. I am teaching some yin poses in each class and maybe I can try and get her to take some of that philosophy off the mat. As far as shoulder weight bearing asanas are concerned, down dog, up dog, plank, shoulder stand, plow and once in a while reverse table are about the only postures that she gets in my classes that put any excessive weight on her shoulders. I can't speak for palates, body sculpting, kick boxing and hours and hours of dance practice. Ma knows that chaturanga is not one of my favourite poses so I rarely teach it. It will take a while but I will let you know if I am able to make any progress. Again, thanks for the assistance Jim
purnayoga		#10	[-]
Posts: 312 (10/22/08 15:10:49) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	But of course Jim. Keep in mind though that we do not change the lifestyle of students. We merely offer them alternatives which they may accept or reject (after having searched themselves for what fits their dharma). So you are not responsible for changing her lifestyle. Do however provide her with the tools you have at your disposal AND the clarity of view that only a tidy third party can lend. ========================== The spoken word is your master, the unspoken word your slave.

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