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Posts: 4 Feb 13 09 8:25 AM	Tags : None ..... Edited 1 time by iamjil Sep 16 12 3:00 PM.
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KFN		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5617 Feb 13 09 9:34 AM Moderator	Hi Jill, Are you getting enough plant-based protein? Maybe your body still needs you to include meat in your diet. I've never made a decision to stop eating meat, but rarely ever do any more. Back when I first started practicing, the first thing that happened was that I stopped smoking. That was a decision, it was something I had already tried to do a number of times, but I was able to do it very easily then, partly because of the practice, partly because I was finally unconflicted in the decision. The next thing was that my diet began to clean itself up. Then I finally settled into a meditation practice, and after a while, looked up and noticed that I just never turn on the TV any more. No need for apologies. This is a good spot. There is also a Food & Recipes forum, but your post is more about Health & Yoga. I'm glad you've join in here! karen
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drrona		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15527 Feb 13 09 12:09 PM Asst. Administrator	hi jill (i hope that's your name because ...that's what i've been calling you!) i think you'll find here (which is awesome ...and btw i also believe the TRUTH) that there are no definitive ANSWERS other than see what works best for YOU i know exactly what you are saying and my diet has varied over the years and to this day is in a flux of WHAT FEELS RIGHT to put in and FEELS right WHEN IT"S IN...if u know what i mean. it's a balancing act and not always (in my experience) an easy task! interesting though! from a medical/nutritional standpoint (i'm a holistic chiropractic doctor) if your blood sugar tends to run low the LIKELYHOOD is that you'll not want to do a meal of only fruit...but you never know...everyone is different and this is where the trial and error begins it may be very helpful to KEEP A JOURNAL or DIARY of ALL your FOOD INTAKE (incl time and possibly how you FEEL after eating as well as a couple of hrs after eating...esp as you experiment) if animal products do not appeal to your palate there may be a good reason why... ? i dunno if you are vegan or veg (lacto-ovo) there are some foods that will help to keep your blood sugar from plummeting or...they're SUPPOSED to as they take longer to digest and convert to useable sugars for energy these foods are proteins and fats nuts, seeds, oils, nut butters (raw) cheeses, eggs, (and if you eat flesh: fish, meats etc) no judgement only assessment of how you feel and how your health and VITALITY is i think i'm getting a bit wordy here but greens are fab for minerals , vitamins and energy superfood greens like spirulina (there are some wonderful products out there like vitamineral green and pure synergy) also / serving have a LOT of protein and OOMPH for the gusto green smoothies are yum you can make them with greens like kale, collards, spinich, etc and add a protein source like hemp protein, soy based protein (make sure it's non-gmo ~~ some people still detest soy) , or rice protein maybe add a bit of coconut butter or hemp seed (or not) and maybe some berries or banana, i like apple in mine... i guess the bottom line for RIGHT NOW is what do you eat NOW where are you at with that? what changes would feel good to you? what are you willing/can you do? i (and others ) i'm sure can answer some questions or make rec's depending on that... do you have a vitamixer ? post a bit more and... lets take it from there hugs and love i know i'm going through some sort of definite flux in what feels good and not when i ingest it on the road peace, love, happiness always beaming xoxo rona "I am a little pencil in the hand of a writing God who is sending a love letter to the world." Mother Teresa**
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junipertree		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 21 Feb 13 09 7:55 PM	What a good question. I think that it's wonderful how yoga can start to change our views of what we put into our body. After all, our bodies are temples, and I think we should treat them accordingly. I am veg., and try to not eat 2 hours before teaching or practicing. Other than that, I eat pretty much whatever I feel like. If I feel like having a quesadilla for lunch, I have one, if I crave a cupcake after a practice, I have one, and so on. Maybe because our family doesn't keep processed foods, juices, candy, etc. I know that whatever else I eat is going to be okay and baked or made by me. We do alot of beans and rice, which makes a complete protein. We eat a TON of Indian food like dahls, etc. Lentils are great for protien, and most Indian foods contain lentils or beans of some type. BUT, Twice in the last 10 years I have eaten Salmon and Halibut that was caught fresh from home. I just couldn't resist. Also, you may consider talking to a Nutritionalist about foods for your blood type. Or, figure out your Dosha mix to see what works for you holistic basis. Yet always do whatever feels right to you! ~Om Shantih
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drrona		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15527 Feb 13 09 10:31 PM Asst. Administrator	juniper tree i'm glad u mentioned lentils and beans after leaving today i realized i left them out completely rona "I am a little pencil in the hand of a writing God who is sending a love letter to the world." Mother Teresa
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iamjil		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4 Feb 14 09 6:20 AM	Right now- I eat "well". Meaning only organic I make everything from scratch... (when I cook at home) I think a lot of it boils down to the meat thing, possible the dairy. Since doing yoga the way I can explain it is that it doesn't feel 'clean' or 'right'. Also the food combinations don't feel right--- the suggestions for green stuff- spirulina et al is excellent and didn't even cross my mind. THe food journal as well at least I have a basis to work from- knowing what I eat. What foods help stabalize the blood sugar--- if you happen to know them. Thank you! My conundrum is that I have a migraine disorder where I can't eat soy, aged cheese, beans, or nuts that often. There is a chemical, tyramine, which triggers them. However- part of me believes that the migraines were my body reacting to a non spiritual lifestyle. (another very long story) I was trying to ignore something and my body freaked out. So my hope is that I will be able to eat that way again. I have no real way of getting protein without eating meat but eating meat seems like a spiritual block...... perhaps I just think too much??? The knowing when to eat in relation to practicing is a fine balance too- I feel like I need a little clock to remind when to eat so that it doesn't effect the practice. Thank you all- this means so much to me to have an outlet- although this world is great I don't know many people in it and most of my friends have not had these experiences and I don't know if it is fair to bombard my yoga teacher with a lot questions everyday after class since he has so many students. I have so so many questions.... I sometimes wish there were yoga class where you could ask questions about yoga. Perhaps that defeats the purpose? Btw- my name IS Jil... just with one L though. Love to you all.
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Lillylulu		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4305 Feb 14 09 7:14 AM	yoga and meditation do change how we experience food and changes how we come into (or out of) our body. like rona shares, it keeps changing. i'm experiencing how i "see" the body "feel" it and that whole relationship. is it just a vessel? a temple (as mentioned)? a blob of matter held together? or is it even something beyond what we can actually see? what are the layers of body? what is really going on? contemplating these questions opens a new door about food and what to share with our body. a lot of the time going veg revolves around guilt which isn't very healthy. i guess your questions don't bring easy answers. happy exploring. Ma Nithya Atma
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junipertree		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 21 Feb 14 09 9:33 AM	Lillylulu wrote: a lot of the time going veg revolves around guilt which isn't very healthy. I agree, and we shouldn't feel guilty about doing what's right for us. We ( our family) are veg., but my husband will go and hunt. He just doesn't bring the animal home, he gives it to a friend. I think God gave us the knowledge of our bodies and the chemical workings of the brain and body. If the migraines are stressed by certain chemicals in foods, then that's your body saying those things aren't right for the body at that time. Barbara Kingsolver wrote about dairy comsumption in her recent book "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle". She points out that most people of caucasian background can't handle dairy well, yet we continue to force it on ourselves because that's what's advertised heavily.. Could you handle goat milks and cheeses? Just another thing to think about I guess. It helped me to look into what meats are local, obviously eating salmon out here in the high desert is not a local food, and I think my body can understand that, and I don't eat meat here since I don't eat beef. If I go somewhere that fish is found local and fresh, then by all means I eat that. It's eating locally, and it's better for my body. ~Om Shantih
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simpleyogini		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6211 Feb 14 09 10:06 AM	good question....Jil MY EXPERIENCE.... my eating habits have changed alot over the years....when I took my yoga training....it was mentioned about not eating meat...(ahimsa) and to consider vegan....also if you visit many ashrams they are no dairy or meat. that is fine with me for a while....I tried for about a year eating no meat....and my body did not like it. I was very cold and my skin tone changed....plus I felt very weak. I added back organic (no factory farming) chicken and wild fish....and everynow and then beef (again free range grass fed) Sometimes I am invited out to friends and I eat what they serve me...not being obsessive about what they serve...I am lucky to live in a town that is very very conscious about food... as I have gotten older I found I have so many food allergies....and went to a nutritonist.....it was the best thing I ever did. She helped me solve my stomach issues...and now I am on a rotation diet. (I have food allergies to dairy, wheat/gluten, soy, nightshades, ginger, some fruits, beans...so that leaves alot out of my diet) raw foods do not settle well for me either.... I also follow the vata diet....(using the book...Stop your cravings...giving a balanced approach to eating for your bodytype) in which she advised that vata's need protein and suggests that they eat chicken and fish in their diet and mostly all warm cooked foods. To me...this works well...i have been following her thoughts and it suits me.....years back I used to do the warrior diet....but after so many years my body was rejecting it....I found that if I overconsuming the same food over and over day in and day out for months and years (which was what I was doing) you system breaks down and can cause negative effects. as far as eating meat....I look at it differently. I give thanks to the animal for giving me sustanance (like the native americans when they took meat as food) i try my best to not eat meat that is factory farmed...again this area has wonderful farmers markets....where the animals are treated differently...small farms run by families.....where frest salmon is flown in from alaska... I eat in moderation most everything....like one of the above answers....if I want a cupcake I eat half one day...the rest another...I drink alcohol frequently (maybe 1-2 a week sometimes not at all) .the book i mentioned again suggests that vatas need sweet and salty and she recommends to eat a bit of sweet after each meal...that being dark choc. and such... some days I don;t eat meat at all....maybe I will eat meat 3 times a week....I make kitchari which is a good protein source too (lentils)....drink some protein shakes at times...(quinoa is a good protein also) I had had marvelous meatloaves made from that....millet patties...with mushroom sauce...yum... I have found a macrobiotic chef here in town....he is french and used to cook in a french rest....but now he prepares meals at lunch that you can eat....with all the balanced needs in it....and all warmed (not raw)...with some extra flavors. I have been eating some of that too...I have learned from them (he is married to a chinese herbal practioner and acupunturist) to also eat variety and eat whatever is in season....veggies and fruits. They feel eating this way with the seasons helps keep your body in balance... my take....we are all different....what works for one doesn;t necessarity mean it works for all....i learned so much from my nutritionist...food has a major impact on your body and emotions... it took me two years to "find" what works for me.......so it takes time and patience to find what fits take your time...the journal is a great start... good luck.... nice to meet ya too! sandy We do not need to be the same, or think the same But we can hold hands as fellow travelers in this life.
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omcasey		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8841 Feb 14 09 11:29 AM	I like the idea of "food as medicine", food for the ticket you're carrying at that moment. No right or wrong, just the ride (the food) that matches your ticket. Right now I'm popping blue foods, especially blueberries like mad. Can't get enough. All I want is blueberries. And pure Goji . . What a ride! . .
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Posts: 8841 Feb 14 09 11:33 AM	"I sometimes wish there were yoga class where you could ask questions about yoga. Perhaps that defeats the purpose?" Not at all. In fact there is a yoga just for this. Find someone who teaches jnana, this one will hold satsang (dialgue; question/answer sessions). You'll like it! .
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Lillylulu		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4305 Feb 14 09 2:16 PM	watch out for blueberries... Ma Nithya Atma Edited 2 times by Lillylulu Feb 14 09 2:21 PM.
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purnayoga		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 451 Feb 14 09 4:51 PM	Hello Jill, So rare someone actually asks a question such as yours. And my first thought was "they eat the same things people who do NOT practice yoga eat". Then I realized that is not accurate. Nor is it accurate to describe the diet of someone who "practices yoga every day". I witness yoga practitioners eating all sorts of "interesting things". Ultimately the eating must serve the living for that person, at that time. In the Kleshas, which patanjali outlines in the Sutras, we see there are five obstacles to our evolution. Avidya or ignorance is the first in the list - though Patanjali always put the most important element second rather than first:-) The two pertinent segments of avidya here are mistaking the pure for the impure and mistaking pain for pleasure. While my examples of each might be entertaining or even provoking, I think it's best left to each practitioner to explore these on their own. Though I do think it is obvious we often eat something we think is good but it is not good FOR us. The basic principle (as I see it, of course) is NOT to eat a balanced diet but to eat a balancING diet. That which is consumed should balance the human doing the consuming. As you've no doubt observed, yoga practitioners can be grossly out of balance - either overly rigid and disciplined OR overly hedonistic and floaty. This is true BOTH in asana and in diet. What to do? In Purna Yoga one of the four elements we teach is lifestyle and nutrition. There are foods to EAT and foods to AVOID. We start by eliminating C.A.T.S: caffeine, alcohol, tobacco, and sugar. These things adversely effect the central nervous system, the place in which we cultivate more feeling, the place where we become more sensitive, the place where our stability through all five koshas is maintained. It is also suggested not to consume anything that comes in a box, package, or can. There is a great deal more but I don't want to wilt the flowers with too strong a watering. In terms of what to eat there are three basic principles; hydration, oxygenation, and alkalinity. Therefore a diet high in deep green leafy veggies AND foods that are alkaline in the body after being eaten is highly advised. No matter what the student of yoga eats, she/he should do so with great joy. It is much better for the soul to eat Salmon with glee than to eat rutabagas in anger. Gordon Kaplan, M.S. Certified Purna Yoga Teacher RYT-500, E-RYT-200, IAYT President, Team Yoga ========================== The spoken word is your master, the unspoken word your slave. Edited 4 times by purnayoga Feb 16 09 8:20 AM.
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junipertree		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 21 Feb 15 09 1:17 PM	purnayoga wrote: It is much better for the soul to eat Salmon with glee than to eat rutabagas in anger. Which is exactly why I never eat rutabagas! ( Just Kidding!) This is so true, and the reason why forced diets rarely work. ~Om Shantih
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Lillylulu		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4305 Feb 16 09 10:51 AM	"In Purna Yoga one of the four elements we teach is lifestyle and nutrition. There are foods to EAT and foods to AVOID. We start by eliminating C.A.T.S: caffeine, alcohol, tobacco, and sugar. These things adversely effect the central nervous system, the place in which we cultivate more feeling, the place where we become more sensitive, the place where our stability through all five koshas is maintained. It is also suggested not to consume anything that comes in a box, package, or can." i love that you shared this. so many times the focus about "what" to eat is all about losing weight or being more "fit" or even more healthy, (all which can be good) and it is rarely seen from the standpoint of how diet/lifestyle affects the central nervous system... this is vital. Ma Nithya Atma
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purnayoga		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 451 Feb 16 09 4:52 PM	I think the "focus" has to be what I call "sensicle". It's a cross between sensible and logical. One of the things I've learned from Aadil is how to think in a yoga context. And so I find myself answering all of life's questions in that way. And that suits my life. It is orderly for me and that order, that austerity, that saucha keeps the energy both positive and flowing easily. So it's actually bigger than how it affects the nerves. It's how it effects the life. But we start with the coarse and move to the fine so the mind can come along for at least part of the ride. :-) Gordon Kaplan, M.S. Certified Purna Yoga Teacher RYT-500, E-RYT-200, IAYT President, Team Yoga ========================== The spoken word is your master, the unspoken word your slave.
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Lillylulu		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4305 Feb 17 09 5:19 PM	yes, the cns encompasses way more than just the physical ! Ma Nithya Atma
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iamjil		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4 Feb 17 09 7:23 PM	Thank you all so much. Balance has been a huge theme in my life about a year previous to starting yoga. The explanation of achieving balance within what I put in my body makes a LOT of sense. (invoked a DUH! reaction ) However, Purnayoga started to give some basic outlines about how to eat and then backed up. See me as a water lily in the desert. I am seeking information and although I have some moments of doubt, or skepticism I always return, stronger in my beliefs that this is right. The food feels equally the tip of the iceberg and incredibly important. There are a lot of sanskrit words in all of the responses that I have spent a fair amount of time googling and reading about- completely overwhelming and exciting. Are there ever yoga classes where you study text or is this all stuff that people come to on their within the practice? I, personally am reading everything I can get my hands on. Does that take away from the experience of the practice? This is such an incredible journey and I feel like I grow everyday- some of it is really painful. Is that normal? I really could list about 100 questions but, I will stop here. Thanks all.
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simpleyogini		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6211 Feb 17 09 9:56 PM	one of our studios here has sutra study group...possibly you could look into that in your area..... or visit someplace for a weekend workshop......like yogaville (which is close to me) is an ashram that has programs you are mentioning...maybe an ashram is nearby you... and your question about a journey being painful sometimes....well for me....yes...i see it as part of life....ups and downs... sandy We do not need to be the same, or think the same But we can hold hands as fellow travelers in this life.
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purnayoga		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 451 Feb 18 09 12:30 AM	How interesting that you bring that up Jill. Two weeks ago I had a brief chat (in passing) with another teacher from a different background than I. The four elements of Purna Yoga came up (from her inquiry) and after I listed them she said "that's every yoga". To which I replied: "I've taken classes here in Seattle for nearly six years with over 60 different teachers. No one has even hinted about nutrition - except Aadil (my teacher)." Yoga is very robust and "yoga" teachers should start teaching it:-) I don't teach "text" in my classes but I do apply the Sutras, the Gita, the Upanishads, the Hatha Yoga Pradipika, and Sri Aurobindo (of course) when I can use them for imparting something useful. To memorize the texts is nice. To live them is enlightening. Gordon Kaplan, M.S. Certified Purna Yoga Teacher RYT-500, E-RYT-200, IAYT President, Team Yoga ========================== The spoken word is your master, the unspoken word your slave.
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Lillylulu		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4305 Feb 18 09 7:31 AM	i just did a class last week on healing the stomach and i found everyone "hungry" for dialogue beyond the stretch... although, it was more along the lines of ayurveda... Ma Nithya Atma
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